The Venger Satanis Sydrome Continues
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Cult of Cthulhu founder and High Priest, Venger Satanis, stopped by the Gate-Walker’s Journal yesterday and left an interesting comment. It seems as if there is still some unresolved issues concerning affecting public relations between the Cult of Cthulhu and the Gate-Walking Community. Our readers are advised to reflect on some of our previous articles if they are uninformed about the latest rivalry:
In a recent article entitled; What Critics of The Simon Necronomicon Don’t Want You To Know, which can be assessed at the following link:
High Priest Venger Satanis made the following comment:
If Lovecraft made everything up and has little or no role to play in the Simon Necronomicon, then why does the Simonomicon’s author try to weave old Sumerian mythology with Lovecraft’s Cthulhu Mythos?…Do you seriously think that the Simonomicon would have even a tenth of the borrowed power that it currently possesses if not for the Dark Prince of Providence… the High Priest of Weird?….In any case, should make for an interesting blog talk radio discussion on The Ooze: Left Hand Path talk radio.”
Venger’s remarks seem quite intelligible, but I would expect such questions from someone who was not initiated into the Greater Mysteries. Personally, I do not think that Lovecraft made it all up, but was influenced by stellar forces. Simon alludes to the same thing in the book’s interoduction:
“WE CAN profitably compare the essence of most of Lovecraft’s short stories with the basic themes of Crowley’s unique system of ceremonial Magick. While the latter was a sophisticated psychological structure, intended to bring the initiate into contact with his higher Self, via a process of individuation that is active and dynamic (being brought about by the “patient” himself) as opposed to the passive depth analysis of the Jungian adepts, Lovecraft’s Cthulhu Mythos was meant for entertainment. Scholars, of course, are able to find higher, ulterior motives in Lovecraft’s writings, as can be done with any manifestation of Art.”
The above statement clearly shows us that the Simon Necronomicon is NOT a hoax, for it clearly states in its Introduction that Lovecraft’s Cthulhu Mythos was meant for entertainment. It is in this statement that the we find the editors of the Simon Necronomicon openly admitting that Lovecraft’s Cthulhu Mythos was not meant to be taken literally. However, scholars can find metaphysical archetypes in Lovecraft fiction and this is clearly seen in the Simon Necronomicon.
Those who believe that the Simon Necronomicon is a hoax are very ignorant when it comes to understanding the history of the magical grimoires. Is the Key of Solomon a hoax Venger Satanis? Why did the writers of the Key of Solomon create a scheme as if the tome was written by King Solomon himself? Why did John Dee describe his system of divination as one relating the magic that Enoch used? See, it is traditional for authors of grimoires to use pseudo-names and to ascribe their work to a legendary or fictional character. The Simon Necronomicon uses the Mad Arab as its said writer.
So if one were to question the intentions of “Simon” and his use of Cthulhu Mythos imagery, then one would have to do the same thing for a large body of occult grimoires that have been produced over the centuries. The problem begins because of ignorance about the history of occult grimoires, coupled with the fact that the Simon Necronomicon is probably one of the best written grimoires in history.
You should know these things best Venger, since you named your group after an organization that Lovecraft describes in his fiction. If you can answer for your actions then you should know why authors of the Simon Necronomicon used element of the Cthulhu Mythos.
P.S. Get used to have friends who disagree with some of your findings. Remember, we are not the ones who will betray you, the ass-kissers will
5 thoughts on “The Venger Satanis Sydrome Continues”
“First, they sell you this theory that Lovecraft was so popular that everyone was trying to find a particle of this fabled book. Meanwhile, Lovecraft was never a household name in the occult community. He is a good writer and does have a following, but Lovecraft stated long before the Simon Necronomicon was ever released that he made everything up; So why would critics try to create this atmosphere that serious occultists were interested in the legendary tome, so a few people got together to cash in on the idea? Maybe this was done in an effort to curb the amount of people who could possibly use the tome and access its power.”
That’s a direct quote from your last blog entry. I’m just discussing things from your convoluted perspective, hoss. I love disagreement, but your argument needs to make sense.
I don’t care one way or the other if you use the Simon Necronomicon. Show me some results in your own life. I could fly to Egypt next week and take part in some Lovecraftian dark rite because I have my life under control. Can you say the same? I hope so… see you in the Great pyramids!
We are helping the Ancient Ones is becoming. Enjoy Egypt! I am on my way 🙂
Money is not the sole evidence of a life under control. I would recommend the book “American Psycho”, though I do not know the author off hand. This book clearly illustrates just how this statement is frighteningly true.
I’m not taking a shot at you, Venger, but it seems that whenever proof is asked for in an occult debate, financial abundance seems to be the quickest card drawn; yes, I’m guilty of doing the same thing myself.
Everyone measures success in their own way. I am able to support a family of six on one income (prosperity), my children are healthy, happy, & well-adjusted (control of one’s affairs), my marriage couldn’t be happier; after 13 years together, we still fall in love with each other even more every day (love), when I want something to happen, it generally does, when a random thought enters my mind, it generally happens (psychic/magickal ability). I could go on, but I think you get the point, & I’m by no means financially abundant.
These are the outward signs that what I am doing is working. These things, however, are only the residual effects of the true process happening within. There is a wise saying that advises not to seek occult power for itself, but understand that it is only the result of trials passed & wisdom gained.
Agree or disagree to your heart’s content; I know what is real for me.
My initial thought/reaction/question is,
“Why are we so quick to discredit any tome or system if we are (genuine) Coyotes?
The Cthulhu Myhtos was originally a mean of entertainement.
The Simon Necronomicon is, for the most part, some bastardization of texts found on Mesopotamian tablets, mostly Bablylonian, they are some of the most ancients writting on the planet.
Now it’s just self-evident…
I wonder how a cult based on blatant fiction containing primordial archetypes can honestly bash the Necronomicon tradition. The Cult of Cthulhu is so much more a “forgery” that is nonetheless very real than is the SN.
Really, such debates are pointless, a waste of energy and seems more like a chat about inflated ego. What are you actually debating VS? You only seems to seek exposure.
How can any of you debate when you all agree that Magick and Mysticism are subjective experiences? All these political plays remove us form the Great Work.
Oh and any unitiated fool, sleeping, mundane, can be incredibly rich…
Are you AWAKE yet?